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【DbD】ナイト本実装!買う価値ある?能力・アドオンへのみんなの反応

334: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 02:22:11.39 ID:d6Tj+9tB0
ナイトと初対戦したがやってること結局アーティストと一緒では?

340: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 02:42:26.38 ID:cWgJLpuU0
マップがギデオンとか小学校だとナイトの雑魚度が増すな

346: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 03:02:49.07 ID:2CloPHNG0
>>340
むしろ小学校みたいな移動ルートが限られてて挟み撃ちにしやすいマップほど強そうな気がするけどそうじゃないの?

347: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 03:04:43.20 ID:gWsGF/Ge0
>>346
ギデオンはシャワールーム上の強ポジ潰せるしかなり強い

341: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 02:43:51.67 ID:gWsGF/Ge0
アドオン安いしいいキラーだよ
使てって面白いけどすぐ飽きると思うが

343: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 02:54:09.34 ID:ufGNbdc30
ナイトは一緒に鯖追いかけて挟み撃ちだ!みたいに追い込んだりするのはなかなか楽しいんだけど
何か1回使うだけで結構疲れるな

354: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 03:44:35.15 ID:gWsGF/Ge0
スピードキルの実績思った以上に楽で速攻終わった
暗殺者との2連撃するのが思ったより楽だったな

357: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 03:46:35.05 ID:JyDolsWOa
破壊系を視点変更なしでやれたら全然使ってたけどな
カラスみたいに視点そのままで指定できる感じで
あの視点変更がめんどくさと思ってめんどくさい上に強くもないキラーなんて使うかよと思っちゃう

370: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 04:52:31.55 ID:96XV5E5bd
ナイトこいつだいぶきついな
傭兵の使い分け考えてもせめて鯖の動きによって切り替えたいのにそんな余裕は無いのがつらいわ

あとビジュアルもロン毛はみ出てんのが致命的にキモくて嫌だ

374: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 05:00:01.30 ID:gWsGF/Ge0
>>370
細かな余裕あるときにその場でだして衛兵ぶん殴ればいい

372: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 04:53:12.87 ID:Bco4UrxDa
ビジュアルそこそこカッコいいのにリザルト画面の動きがキモすぎ
もっと畏怖の念を抱くような感じの歩き方でよかったろ

406: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 07:11:26.63 ID:B/+VddliH
今までは新キラーきたらすぐ買ってたけど今回食指が動かん
何か喚び出す系はタコおじと同じで不具合でストレスになるの目に見えてるからな

422: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 08:16:03.79 ID:Ooymk+erM
このキラーダメだわw
能力使ったら鯖見失うってどうなってんだよ

506: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 11:43:24.45 ID:+LLtXXFw0
衛兵配置すると想像以上に距離取られるな
このルート作成が鯖に見られるとかいうクソ仕様誰が考えたんだよ

507: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 11:43:39.22 ID:0Tbl9oAVM
バグなのか知らんけど板前やちょっとしたところで召喚コマンドでなくてゴミの極みだわ

508: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 11:46:35.10 ID:qa2BN00xd
ナイトは対策されやすい問題が未だ残ってるから微妙

509: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 11:49:39.83 ID:q7JZ1yk/r
鳥おばで良くね感が凄い

510: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 11:53:08.62 ID:ENOxbqTq0
PTBでも言われてたが
チェイスは衛兵チョイ置きが最強
ルート長引きは発電機の妨害板破壊のみ
これが基本やで

513: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 12:02:35.83 ID:IXsW6PeZ0
ナイト自体は弱いけどベリレアアドオン(一緒に使うアンコモンも)がかなり強いから
それ前提なら中堅クラスだと思う

543: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 12:53:19.87 ID:9RVZLQuw0
>>513
一体どのベリレアが強いのか教えてくれ

547: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 13:11:55.51 ID:G8oHSvCz0
>>543
一緒に使うアンコモンもって言ってたから看守召喚で足早くなるベリレアと看守2回出すアドオン
予想だが

539: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 12:44:43.11 ID:d3KC7qYOp
ナイトパークを除外して強さ的にどう?
買おうか迷ってるんだけど

540: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 12:46:20.08 ID:gWsGF/Ge0
>>539
アドオンのコスパはレイスみたいに良いから
仕様理解したら面白い
買い

541: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 12:46:45.26 ID:YJIhRQOMM
パーク目当てでないなら要らない
アーティストでいいよ
まあアドオン使えば悪くはないけど

542: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 12:51:41.67 ID:+LLtXXFw0
うんこみたいな弱板なら挟み撃ちで即ダウンみたいな事出来たりするんだが
いかんせん分かってる鯖は召喚見た直後に距離取るから初見殺しとしてしか機能しない
そもそも仮に逃げ先に衛兵仕込んでもチェイスの役には大して立たないしなんやねんこのキラー
隠れ場なしだけは強いが

544: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 12:54:25.53 ID:YJIhRQOMM
アドオンでゆるゆる条件な探知忘却探知不可ワンパンと色々出来るからこっちが本体じゃないの

546: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 13:03:37.18 ID:THEiNa2u0
ガシャゴン👣ガシャゴン

551: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 13:21:36.99 ID:gWsGF/Ge0
看守のアドオンがゴミなんじゃなくて看守がゴミね
さっさと殴って消した方がいい

553: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 13:24:11.31 ID:iStRObm+r
巡回ルート描く工程がスキだらけで弱すぎるな
なんで鯖を視認出来ないかが意味不明なレベル

ジャングルジムや固有に逃げられたらちょい押しで即召喚した方がずっと強い

557: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 13:40:42.69 ID:8q9sp4ROM
脛当ても使えるよな
蜘蛛トークンもあれば連続で殴ることも出来る
散々言われてるけどルート作成があまりにも弱過ぎるし衛兵はちょん出しで圧をかけたりアドオンのトリガーとしてだけ使うってのが主だと思うわ

576: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 14:52:42.81 ID:A8lWLlUV0
衛兵デッハが刺さりやすいからデッハの価値上がった?

592: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 15:42:19.36 ID:TG4lG6zNa
>>576
チェイスに強い暗殺者で深手付くし疲労アドオンもあるからプラマイ0ぐらいじゃないか

581: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 15:15:34.45 ID:ctUj3NWMp
ナイトは何おじになるんだ?鎧おじか?

595: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 15:49:02.42 ID:J3L7n9wPd
>>581
アホ毛おじ

611: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 16:41:50.51 ID:Xz/oPiCW0
>>581
内藤さん

583: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 15:18:53.23 ID:qNtXabiVM
ナイト強いな
4.6で歩けるのは良い

587: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 15:26:03.31 ID:A8lWLlUV0
ナイトはキャンプせんならセノバやカラスで良さそうな気がする

609: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 16:34:13.09 ID:w9e7T+qn0
ナイトは遅延がまったく無いのが辛すぎる

612: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 16:45:17.11 ID:/DHX7xa/0
ナイトは衛兵の問題は概ね改善されたけどやっぱそれでもうーん…な感じなんだよな

615: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 16:51:46.90 ID:fyqJRY3wr
確かにチェイスポジ使えなくさせて離れさせるのを強制するってやってることトラッパーと同じだよなぁ

616: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 16:52:01.72 ID:+LLtXXFw0
全滅は取れてるけど多分相手が下手なのか海イラプが強いだけなのかどっちかだわ
ナイトである必要のある場面がない
三者三様のAIを召喚するというコンセプト自体は面白いんだけどきっと最終調整で日和って大幅に弱くしたんだろうな

621: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 16:57:48.79 ID:qpC7al7x0
ナイト買ってみたけど、そのキャラのパークはある程度優先でティア3になるようにしてほしい。一周まわったのにまだ1のがあるよ。

625: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 17:05:43.55 ID:3oNmoC3fr
ナイト、悪くないけど衛兵は自分の好きな衛兵を適宜呼べるでも良かったろ
場面場面でほしい衛兵変わるんだし
なぜ順番にしたのか謎

626: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 17:11:06.23 ID:ZCsxGYRZM
流石に任意の呼べたらアドオンの関係で強すぎる
衛兵調整とアドオンで結構いいバランスになったと思うよ今回のナイトは

627: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 17:13:23.53 ID:2KojodtbM
レア以上は移動速度上がるやつ以外は産廃だな
コスパ良いと見ることもできるが

629: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 17:15:53.62 ID:ctUj3NWMp
ナイトも使い続けてこそ詰みポイントとかが見えてくるキラーな気がする使わないけど
もう徒歩って時点で致命的なんだよなぁ

630: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 17:16:58.25 ID:w9e7T+qn0
>>629
徒歩でも遅延能力あれば可能性見えてくるんだけどナイトは遅延無いのがキッツい

631: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 17:20:12.12 ID:ZCsxGYRZM
遅延ないって言ってるのは同じ人かな?
ある方だろこれでも…

632: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 17:22:00.15 ID:ejCOi+zGa
ナイトの挟み打ち強すぎ

633: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 17:22:24.01 ID:kCOlam0sd
いやナイトに遅延機能無いだろ

634: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 17:27:34.32 ID:+LLtXXFw0
あるだろ一応はw
発電機に衛兵送れば巡回してくれるぞ
セノバみたいなオート遅延は例外

635: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 17:30:36.51 ID:x9DkDBbW0
遅延ってウロボロスや箱みたいなのがそうだと思うんだが

636: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 17:33:41.07 ID:w9e7T+qn0
タコおじのウイルスも「立派な遅延」だよ!

638: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 17:34:30.25 ID:L2jami3M0
長距離の巡回弱すぎて目の前に置く用だな
画面切り替え要らんだろこれ

639: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 17:34:50.80 ID:x9DkDBbW0
こうして見るとカラスおば(アーティスト)って結構強いんだねぇ
ここではあまり話題にならんけど

642: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 17:38:16.17 ID:ZCsxGYRZM
タコさんのことネメシスって言うのやめろよ

>>639
強い人が使うと強い性能してるのは分かるけど俺はやっぱり発電速度の暴力に勝てないわ
ゲート戦で舌打ちさせるのは得意です!

640: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 17:35:58.68 ID:OTb6Bt1rd
ナイトは地下キャンならそれなりに強いんだよ
そんなキラーは山程いるけど

643: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 17:40:37.58 ID:UHvEAK2H0
ナイトは結局近くにしか出せないからね

648: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 17:47:56.42 ID:9RVZLQuw0
アーティストのチェイスは詰め将棋みたいでクールなんだけど
ナイトの場合は奇声あげる蛮族と寄ってたかって追い出しを掛けてる感じが何ともダサいのよ

650: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 17:54:01.46 ID:+LLtXXFw0
執行人が一番便利な気がしないでもないけど順番に出てくる仕様が余計すぎる
一巡しないと同じのは出せないって仕様にしてせめて出す順番は選ばせて欲しいわ

651: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 17:55:17.05 ID:nw+2wKCD0
衛兵弱すぎてただのお散歩キラーになってる
衛兵が全く持って脅威にならない

652: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 17:55:31.09 ID:G8oHSvCz0
ナイト使いこなせんわ
まず展開が遅いし目の前にオブジェクトがあると出せないのがキツい

653: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 17:55:54.16 ID:w9e7T+qn0
衛兵を選択式にするだけで評価かなり上がりそうではある
それだと強すぎるって事で順番にしたのだろうか?

655: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 17:57:34.09 ID:kuJI5+6Tr
衛兵の任意切り替えが出来ないのは分かるが巡回ルート作成時に鯖が見えないのは意味分からん
見えた所で強くないだろこれじゃあ

657: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 18:00:34.96 ID:8mayLsjNr
まずそれぞれの衛兵専用のアドオンなのにその衛兵が1/3でしか出現しないっていうのがね…
その分、他と比べて3倍強いかって言うとそうでもないし

659: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 18:03:35.59 ID:Gn6dlDm8d
キラーって何もかも文句言ってて笑うわ
有利不利だとかはまだわかるけど、それ以外の面でも何かと難癖つけててほんと笑うわ

660: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 18:03:41.52 ID:+LLtXXFw0
見えないのは謎だよなマップの角でもない限り読みようがないし
鯖が一生後出しじゃんけんし続けるだけで狩りが発生しない
鯖贔屓もええ加減にせえよ

661: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 18:07:27.43 ID:yMlJrDRId
アーティストより強い場面もあるっちゃあるけどやっぱりアーティストでよくね感が否めない

664: DbDまとめ速報 2022/11/23(水) 18:29:18.32 ID:F6QFzu8C0
>>661
アーティストよりナイトの方が強い場面もあるっちゃあるかな…くらいだけど
ナイトよりアーティストの方が強い場面はごまんとあるから結局劣化カラスだよね
まぁでもドクターとか豚とかたこ坊主とかの救済不能組よりは全然マシだわ

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    routines for building the again of your goals whereas minimizing
    your risk of damage. To optimally stimulate your back muscular tissues for power and muscle gains whereas also allowing for full recovery between workouts, you need to prepare
    your back every 3-4 days or twice per week.
    In contrast, the pull-up entails vertical pulling where the elbows
    are pointing straight down. Horizontal pulling is greatest for lat thickness, whereas vertical pulling higher promotes lat width.
    This motion is much more joint friendly that the inverted row since you get to maintain your arms in a
    neutral place (palms facing) which is healthier for your shoulders.

    If you are trying to get more bicep involvement in your
    workout this train is a great alternative to the t-bar row.
    Depending on the angle of the incline, the chest supported row will goal a unique set of
    back muscles. When done correctly, in comparability with different again workout routines, the t-bar row places much less of a requirement on the posterior chain. This can permit you to get all the benefits of rowing whereas
    inserting your back under a lower danger of damage.
    Altering up your exercise selection could make your program more pleasant
    and versatile. It is also useful to have various exercises
    to fall back on if you finish up touring and coaching in a model new area or
    if the equipment required is in use and you are brief on time.
    One Other helpful progression is to do negative pull-ups, the place
    you perform only the eccentric (lowering phase). Stand on a bench or box to carry your physique weight above
    the bar and lower your self as slowly as you probably can.
    The bent-over barbell row might appear to be a staple train for constructing a robust again however alternating it out every now and then can actually be useful.
    Particularly it focuses on the latissimus dorsi or “lats” which are the most important muscular
    tissues within the back responsible for pulling actions.
    This exercise is usually included in power coaching routines because it helps to develop a robust and muscular back.
    Maintain a impartial spine and only choose a weight you could raise with good kind to keep away from straining your back.

    Always control the eccentric (lowering) part of the lift, rather than simply dropping the barbell once they lock it out.
    Decrease the barbell slowly onto its pins or blocks to get the most out of this
    exercise and keep away from any accidents. Examine out this video from
    Scott Herman Fitness for a visual guide to performing the inverted body weight row.

    The high row falls in between the row and pull ups, and
    it targets the lats a bit more than a seated row.

    However you’ll nonetheless get nice activation of the
    upper again, and which means you can go quite a bit
    heavier. It also locks you right into a strict range
    of motion, and most are able to isolateral movements.
    I like Chin-Ups here barely over Pull-Ups simply because the underhand grip
    will get the biceps more concerned. Lean back slightly more than you usually would for a Lat Pulldown and row.
    Focus on controlling the load back to the top of the rep so
    you don’t find yourself rocking all over the place.
    You can use both palms on the bar, one arm at a time, stand barely off to the side for
    Pendlay Rows or use a Lat Pulldown attachment.
    Consequently, the t-bar row requires less core muscle activation and
    postural stability, which permits you to instead isolate the
    muscular tissues of the back to a larger extent.
    As nicely, I have included quite so much of barbell, machine, and body weight variations for you to add to your
    collection of back workouts. In this article, I’ll dive into every of those exercises in additional detail, including why it makes an ideal different to the t-bar row, how
    to do it properly, and some tips to maximize its benefits.
    Simply like with many of the rowing exercises above, concentrate on a proper starting place with the again flat and hold the core braced all through the row.

    In the occasion that an alternate train isn’t necessary, a
    simple tweak in the equipment used for the barbell row ought to greater than suffice for the needs of the exerciser and their training objectives.

    Check out this video for a helpful visual guide to performing resistance band bent-over rows.
    Utilizing a supinated (underhand) grip lets you goal the lats and rhomboids to a greater degree,
    similarly to a neutral grip T-Bar row.
    On the opposite hand, an underhand barbell row will work more of your lats.
    A bit of a landmine row variation this exercise is
    prepared the same method the landmine row train is
    prepared. Utilizing a landmine or corner for your barbell and loading the
    load the same. It is carried out by bending over on the waist with a slight
    bend in the knees, whereas holding a barbell
    with an overhand grip.
    The under video does nevertheless present you could increase a regular bench with the use of
    boxes/platforms to let you nonetheless carry out the seal row while not having
    customized tools. When using the cardio rowing machine you will also have interaction this identical muscle however unless
    you row on the heaviest resistances, a lot less.
    This machine will focus slightly extra on strengthening your
    leg muscular tissues and less on enhancing cardiovascular health.

    The inverted row is a barbell bent-over row alternative that focuses on the lats for athletes, bodybuilders, and sporters.
    This barbell row alternative involves preserving the bar stationary on a rack, going beneath the bar,
    and rowing your body in an upward place, to and from the barbell.

    The inverted row actually is one of the best actions for coaching the
    again and serves as a great cable row machine various.
    All you want is a bar of any kind fastened at waist height to carry out this activity.
    Resistance band rows are a wonderful rehabilitation exercise for these with
    an harm, especially since you’re in an upright
    place. They are an excellent priming exercise and may help you learn how
    to row accurately by working on partaking your shoulder blades.

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    trapezius and rhomboids – located throughout and between the scapulae, the mid-traps and rhomboids work together to retract your shoulder blades.
    Developing these muscular tissues will give your
    upper again thickness and could improve your posture.

    Select between a 4 or 5 day coaching cut up and gain 2-12 pounds of muscle over 90 days…
    Focus on stretching your lats on the backside and squeezing them on the top.
    Attempt to the touch your elbow to your hip on every rep and then feel for a full extension at the
    prime of the movement. They are the primary elbow flexor,
    which helps bring the handles all the way down to your ribcage.

    Performing a rep this way puts you at greater threat of
    creating lower back pain and different back issues. A widespread mistake is to load up too much weight and require
    using other muscles to complete a rep. Here’s the load of the Smith machine bar, so you’ll have the ability to calculate the load
    of your lifts. Verify out other again workout routines
    using a Smith machine to build a complete exercise.

    The barbell bent-over row is the obvious selection as a substitution for the Smith machine row.
    It emphasizes the precise same major muscle teams because the Smith machine
    row. This helps strengthen the back muscles, specifically the latissimus dorsi (lats), rhomboids, and trapezius muscles (traps).
    Look for an train that allows a similar long range of motion to totally stretch
    and contract the back muscle tissue. Besides that, in case you are thinking about strengthening upper physique muscles,
    the treadmill is likely not what you are on the lookout for.
    That means that the pull-up bar won’t actually give you very huge advantages when it comes
    to trying to improve cardiovascular health, strengthening
    leg muscular tissues, etc. To do that train you want a pull-up bar which is mainly a
    sturdy horizontal bar.
    Make this train simpler raising no matter handle you would possibly be using  or harder by elevating your ft.
    You can even put on a weighted vest or relaxation a weight plate on your hips/lap.
    Your shoulder muscle tissue, correctly referred to as your deltoids, are made up of three sections of fibers
    referred to as heads.

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